March 13, 2016 at 04:54 #2269dreamtearsParticipant
I am on a trial with a guild that I think is pretty awesome – the type that will work with you, give a decent chance, not elitist but want progression. But I feel useless and I do not know if its me or the class (and believe me I want to blame the class so I will feel better bawawawa). I have been on trial for three weeks now. Last night I was raiding with a disc priest, a druid who was on their first night of trial, a holy priest (usually its a Disc priest, holy Pally, and Holy Priest) . The Druid and Disc Priest whipped my ass (Disc priest 90k hps, Druid 80k hps myself 50k hps and the holy preist was around where I was) and I barely get to use my CDs as tranq is always called out first and used on CDs as it is ‘superior” then Shaman’s CD (this is what I was told when I wisp my raid leader at the end of the night saying I barely ever get to use my CDs twice in a fight and I have three). I just use my CDs if I think people are going to die since my CDs are never asked for but they never get to be used for full duration. The Druid was learning” and why her tranq was called for – however for me my CD are not called for as they are not as good and I seem to know when to use them. However I had this same problem with my previous guild – it seems to be only spirit link that is considered a CD – but I think spiritlink as well Healing Tide Totem and Ancendance has some punch esp with our mastery.
I have tried hard to bring my hps up but I feel like its an impossible battle. I know Shaman’s are a niche role but the niche is becoming so incredibly small its starting to suck being at the bottom of the healing meters consistently – the only boss I am never at the bottom or second bottom is Gorfiend – and being at the bottom is not so bad but when its between 20k to 30k difference it is depressing.
I will record my logs tonight and get more help – but just wondering if other Shaman’s feel like it a up hill battle to keep up with other healers (except for Holy Priests – I think they have it worse!)
March 13, 2016 at 07:19 #2272hochoParticipant
Anytime i raid with a disc priest i notice my numbers go down with all them shields going about. My guild is different though, usually we run with disc priest, holy pala, resto druid and myself, my cd’s are often called for first. Healing tide is great because it can be cast on the move, so if there’s big raid damage coming and everyone is on the move to stack up then its a good time to use it since we can still move.
Spirit link is a b it different as i see it. There is great times to use it like Kormrok for grasping hands or when we stack up in council for certain abilities but alot of the time the raid is spread out so it is no where near as effective. We just started on Socrethar mythic and theres more usage on that fight though with apocalyptic felburst in there.
Dont feel useless though. We do struggle when disc priest are there but remember we have a lot more going for us than just hps. We have grounding totem (great on Xhul for void surge) windwalk (gorefiend if essences get out) we have ankh so we dont waste a battle res on those progression nights. If the boss dies and your 20k down then its still a kill and you did a good job
March 13, 2016 at 09:27 #2273DoreleiKeymaster
Hi there Dreamtears,
Personally, I get the feeling your raid leader is lacking some insight into the shaman and – fore mostly – how to get most out of it. Let me explain myself.
- Shamans are cooldown dependent. In progress no one gives a **** (or should) about actual output, it’s all about combatting abilities with raid cooldowns – and yours should be planned accordingly. On farm, it becomes your own responsibility as well. You don’t need all cooldowns anymore, bosses are dying quicker. The raid has more HP and so the need for cooldowns often diminishes. If you can’t use a cd twice, because your raid lead keeps calling for it on a specific moment (read: probably at 2,5 minutes in a 4 minute fight or something) – then make it clear it will hurt your overall output. Deal with that, or fight for reshuffling of cd’s. Or (risky approach – but sometimes necessary) just don’t use your cd at that point and see what happens. If the raid doesn’t die, you can reshuffle your own cd’s to maximize your output.
Side note: Healing Tide being inferior to Tranquility? Are you kidding me? Tell that raid leader to come over so I can slap him :D. Tell that druid to pop Tranq and start running, then see what happens.
- You can’t over stack healers and expect a shaman to do something significant. I haven’t seen logs, so I can’t say for sure. But bringing 4 healers is almost never necessary. I see you are farming heroic fully at the moment. If you’re still using 4 healers for the full run – try running 3 for the first 6 bosses. Ideally you would drop it down to 1 or 2, but it will also put stress on the rest of the raid (no more covering up mistakes). I’m not sure if that would be fair or fun to expect for a raid like yours. For a smooth run I’d advice bringing at least an output healer and a shielder – so you and either the paladin or the disc priest.
You seem to be well-aware that you should maximize your cd’s in comparison to the fight duration (you just recommended that to someone else). Try to push this further. Look at your raids logs, when are they taking damage, and plot your cooldowns accordingly (ignoring those of your team mates). I’m getting the feeling your cooldowns are not needed in the current situation (4 healers). So you could experiment with using them whenever you think they would benefit the most. I know this is a rather selfish approach – but if the raid won’t die if you don’t use your cooldowns, then you might as well snipe some HPS away from your fellow healers. Additionally, you could push a nice Healing Tide with an intellect potion, and start gemming with +75 gems instead of + 50. Focus mostly on maximizing your Healing Tide and Ascendance (combined with your intuitions gift) – if you want to max HPS.
All of that said, resto shamans are in a good place right now. Do not feel insecure of the class and spec. But start creating opportunities to utilize the class to the fullest ;). It helps if you post logs, although in depth analysis is most relevant when studying multiple mythic logs. We can usually only provide general pointers for heroic logs – the healers often aren’t pushed enough and damage taken can lose its structure easily in heroic.
Don’t lose faith – learn the nitty gritty of the class and enjoy your shaman :).
P.s. Try to get your hands on that demonic phylactery trinket – even if its normal.
March 14, 2016 at 00:10 #2276dreamtearsParticipant
Thank-you for the feedback and it helped with the tips. I have logs for last night but it was mostly progression on mythic and already see where I can improve. And I got the demon phylatactry trinket last night! And yes we using four healers with 20 people even on farm stuff however only two are core raiders so I think the raid leader just want to see me and the other trial how we go on mechanics more then hps.
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